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we're bringing him on to go through this

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FBI report that was just issued this is

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a report that we've been talking a lot

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about and anticipating for a very long

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time and it finally came 16 months after

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the shooting and it's a bit

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underwhelming in its weight it's two and

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a half pages

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it's called key findings of the

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Behavioral Analysis units Las Vegas

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review panel we'll get into exactly what

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that unit does and talk about this panel

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and who was on the panel it's kind of a

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mystery as to who was on the panel and

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also is this really yet after 16 months

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hundreds of agents on it

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dozens of offices involved is this

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really all the FBI intends to give us is

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this two two and a half pages of summary

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so we thought to go over this the

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absolute best person we could turn to

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the man with more knowledge than even

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FBI agent in charge

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err Aaron rouse we bring in Mike turbo

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from a bunker in an undisclosed location

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Mike thanks for joining thank you for

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having me appreciate that Thanks so I'm

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sure most of our listeners know you by

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following five by five news that you're

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the producer and the host of or they at

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least heard our episode that we did with

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you a couple months back and the Vegas

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trending you've done incredible work on

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the Vegas shooting but just to remind

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everyone who my Kerber is we're still

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not sure we'd know exactly who he is but

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what we apparently do know off of his

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LinkedIn if you can believe that

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he's former US intelligence analyst with

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a strong skillset in cyber security

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surveillance weapons martial arts

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digital forensics etc etc he's a

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photographer videographer editor

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journalist detective security expert

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threat analyst cyber crime expert

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intelligence analyst master

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scuba-diver martial artist pilot weapons

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specialist forensic specialist combat

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instructor computer technology and

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systems integration manager and I'm just

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getting started

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did I miss anything Mike now that

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sounded like enough affair that's our

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I'm obviously unbelievable anyone

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watching their BS way over here right

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now so as I recall we had kind of an

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open-ended mystery the last time you

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appeared which was exactly why you're

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spending so much time on the Las Vegas

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shooting I mean we certainly appreciate

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the time that you've put in you know

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again what you've uncovered a second to

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no one but I did notice that you do

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state here that Mike was asked to assist

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in the largest mass shooting in the

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United States history and he jumped on

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the opportunity just to go back to that

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for a second you were asked to assist by

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whom that you tried to get out of me

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last time I can't say I will never say

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who that is it may it was after five

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o'clock I thought you'd have a couple of

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cocktails by now and then I come out of

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you by now no if I was sitting right

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there next to you that I don't know may

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be good but I think it's a longtime

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friend of mine a longtime friend of

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yours I think you did my talent last

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time that you have been working with

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some of the victims attorneys though I

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yeah well the term we're working with or

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four has been thought about and I want

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to make certain that we're real clear

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what I do is if I if I get a piece of

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evidence the is almost basically any

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piece of evidence is available to anyone

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that requests it so I don't want to put

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that out there but I do give evidence to

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different attorneys that I know or

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working with a certain client or certain

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aspect of the case requires something so

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I I do that and that's that's basically

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how the ballgame actually started was

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with the original CCTV Goodridge footage

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we shared with Katherine about his

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office okay

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and I'm sure it's fair to say generally

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speaking you are on the side of the

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victims I absolutely and on the side of

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MGM for instance no sir you're not on

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the side of Steven paddock and my unsub

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Steve impact no I wouldn't think so I've

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been in touch with his brother Eric as

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I've been in touch with Bruce and so

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we're gonna we're gonna touch on that

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we'll talk a bit about the what's going

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on with the case I was on Laura Ingraham

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this week with Brian Claypool who was

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Las Vegas shooter and he happened to

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appear with me on Laura Ingraham this

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week talking about the FBI report and he

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shared with me that there is a mediation

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scheduled for an undisclosed date in the

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February so things like getting a

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February 19th a little birdie told me

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so let's key slide out your initial

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reaction when you saw the report that

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came out this week well I there was a

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couple of things and actually in talking

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to Eric last night he actually had some

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rather smart things to say about it

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actually opened my eyes up to a

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different way of looking at it but when

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I opened up the report it was amazingly

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fast to download and when I saw the

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three pages and I saw the word summary I

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thought okay well this is like a an

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index of what is going to come maybe in

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the next day or so I started progress

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though I started to find out that that

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might not be the case that the summary

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may be it and that is going to upset or

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has upset a lot of people myself

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included I was expecting

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ballistic analysis a much more in-depth

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BAU report than this one there's me and

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here's the difference in what I've found

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out this is not really a BAU report this

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is more or less analysis units mm-hmm

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the Behavioral Analysis Unit what

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happened is is they acquired 25 people

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that had different skill sets all the

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way from psychologist psychiatrist and

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blah blah blah different different

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different so that is the Las Vegas

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Review Panel the LV RP that they refer

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to that your understanding is

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approximately 25 people correct now now

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the 25 I've been told 25 people are

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working on this and then I've read

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somewhere where it was X number of

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people that were working on this part of

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the report and I thought was 25 so that

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number may not be exactly correct so

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I'll try to verify that but basically

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you have the Las Vegas review panel and

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the key word here that Eric brought to

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my attention last night is the word

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review they were not the Las Vegas

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investigative panel they were or the

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so we're basically reading things from

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someone who reviewed things because the

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first question I asked Eric yesterday I

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said Eric let me ask you this over the

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1516 months or so since the shooting and

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they've put this review panel together

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and there's say 25 people on the review

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panel whatever number it is doesn't

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matter but for this question out of all

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of those people and out of all this time

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I'm kind of curious as to how many

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interviews they had with you to get

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information about your brother

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the answer was a whopping gusik not once

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was was he contacted by anyone as a

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member of the las vegas review panel so

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you ask information that I would think

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would be normal to ask if someone's

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to gather information what-have-you but

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he did remind me that this is a review

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panel they're already they're reviewing

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things that have already been done which

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kind of makes sense because he was

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interviewed extensively by the FBI he

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was interviewed for about 15 hours that

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was the extent of it panel had access to

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the notes transcript etc of his

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interview correct I'm sure they would I

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would I would hope that they would but

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we don't know we don't know if they had

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access to anything this is very

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ambiguous and big and and religion are

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you familiar with the BAU Behavioral

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Analysis Unit and have you seen other

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reports from them from other similar

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situations I've seen I've seen reports

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from the BAU itself not meaning a panel

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of outside professionals that were put

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together and you know that that part

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seems unique to you the idea that they

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put together a panel

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well then they've done this before but

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they but at this at this level no it

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just seemed funny because if you read

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the first part there says the BAU was

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asked to examine possible motives behind

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paddocks shooting and identify paddocks

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pre-attack behaviors so what they did

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was the BAU instead of doing that work

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themselves they acquired a panel and put

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the panel together and had the panel

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essentially review that work or the

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investigation that was done before and

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that where this is a little different

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and that we have to take into

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consideration to the FBI was not the

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lead on this case it was lb MPD that was

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that was kept as the lead and FBI was

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acting in a supportive role as far as

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analyzing evidence and and things of

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that nature so that's where it's a

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little different than what we're

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probably used to seeing with like you

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the other cases where you have a

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mountain of paperwork comes out and you

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have over over a thousand pages of 50 on

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so your assessment may be that in this

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case FBI devoted fewer resources to this

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shooting than to say Sandy Hook or

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others I wouldn't I wouldn't say that I

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would say he yeah yeah to be safe yeah I

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would say that that would be an accurate

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statement because since they were more

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of a supportive role but because of the

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massive amount of evidence that was

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acquired and shipped off to Quantico for

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the lab testing what have you I would

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say that in that regard as far as the

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actual testing is concerned of actual

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physical evidence that was probably

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larger than than what some of the

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applications just have been but we don't

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know we don't have any conclusive report

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or statistics telling us you know in

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comparison to other events of this

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nature how does this stack up so to

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speak you know not that we're trying to

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weigh them out but naturally we're human

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we do that but we do have a couple

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pretty extensive reports from the Las

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Vegas police and FBI played presumably a

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supporting role in those reports right

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correct so in the main piece that was

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missing from the Las Vegas reports was

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motive and they did almost seemed to

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kind of punt motive to the Behavioral

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Analysis Unit of the FBI and so now yeah

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so now what you have is their assessment

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as to motive what's really missing it

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seems to me is the support for their

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conclusions and we'll get in to that

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because they don't really providing this

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there's some very important conclusions

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that they make I do think that they

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identify motive in this for some reason

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mainstream media's take on the whole

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thing was FBI report comes out and they

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find no motive well right that's not my

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assessment and if I was given the

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opportunity on Laura Ingraham to answer

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a second question cuz I only got one I

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would have had but that was not the

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angle she wanted anyway she and Indiana

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D and others on Fox News were taking the

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position that the big takeaway was

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there's no motive well right

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in the contrary I find incredibly

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important takeaways for instance that

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the LV RP the Las Vegas Review Panel

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concludes the panel concludes that

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paddocks attack was neither directed

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inspired or enabled by ideologically

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motivated persons or groups in other

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words they're saying that this panel

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these 25 diverse people including

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psychologists and psychiatrists etc are

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the ones that concluded that Isis had

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nothing to do with this that's right

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yeah that is kind of strange too because

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that that brings on a whole nother level

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because what I don't see in here and and

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to go through that list of panelists the

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multidisciplinary panel was comprised of

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experts and threat assessment psychology

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psychiatry research cyber behavioral

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analysis law and sexual child sexual

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exploitation I do not see in there

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anyone that is foreign intelligence or

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any type of in any type of intelligence

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the closest thing I see would be the

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words threat assessment and possibly

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something else but one just is a

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researcher that doesn't say what they've

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done it so we we have no idea these

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people's qualifications we don't know

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their backgrounds we don't know if the

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backgrounds fit or if if their

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backgrounds would allow them to even

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think about an Isis component to this

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yeah I mean I force this is its appears

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to be to be perhaps just sloppy writing

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because it would have been the FBI

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itself I would think that would make the

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conclusion that racist was not involved

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not this panel and and by the way for

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listeners you can find the FBI's report

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if you go to our Facebook page

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you'll see a link to it there but what

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do you think is that just sloppy writing

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to say that it was love and all that

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concluded Isis is not involved it what's

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amazing to me is that they got this much

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into three pages or two and a half pages

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and with all of that as we go back and

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we start looking as I read it

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and third fourth and fifth time and

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amazingly we can read him three five ten

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times at a easily because this thing is

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ridiculous but you know my assessment

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from this is that they've acquired a

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group of people so that they can say

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that they covered their basis on various

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aspects of law and other regions of

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exploratory research we'll put it that

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way because essentially this is nothing

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more than research again like Eric

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reminded me yesterday it's a research

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panel they're they're not an

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investigative panel so an investigative

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panel would have a lot more supportive

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evidence to go along with it because

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it's a scientific process that they go

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through and it's peer reviewed and

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what-have-you but this here doesn't

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appear to be anything we don't know who

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these people are

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and we don't know their qualifications

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and and we don't have any supportive

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documentation to come along with this I

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always think this is being a summary is

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is fine this is a summary we can read

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this for the the cliffnotes version of

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what's to come or the cliffnotes version

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of what we should have received like a

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twelve hundred page report this says

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blah blah baud at this date he had this

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problem and what-have-you but no but as

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as far as the motive is concerned we're

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in agreement

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yeah so it's odd for them to say it was

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the las vegas review panel that made

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this conclusion about lack of Isis

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number one number two that is a really

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really important conclusion for the FBI

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to make that he acted alone and that

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there was no terror element to this

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because Isis as we know claimed

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responsibility twice they did it through

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their official is they called Nasher

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their official PR organization and I

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spoke to terror experts I know there's

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some disagreement about this but I spoke

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to terror experts that say that anytime

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Isis has claimed responsibility for an

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attack through their official PR

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propaganda channels it has never been

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proven that they were not in fact

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responsible for the attack this would

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in other words this would have been the

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first time I see the face you're making

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you may be one of the experts that don't

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agree with that yeah there's a very in

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con if you know her at her on and she

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claims to be an Isis expert she

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definitively states that I know there

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was an issue of an attack in the

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Philippines that people that Isis took

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responsibility for and there was

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questioned about whether or not they if

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I carried it out in fact and remember

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there's a difference between carrying it

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out and being isis-inspired right yeah

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so what she would say that there's never

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been a circumstance where as proven that

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I used to sitting carried out or that it

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was Isis inspired and Vegas one would be

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the first one if the FBI is in fact

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drawn that conclusion

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I actually agree that Isis had had no

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play in this from what I can see but I

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don't have access to the exact same

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information they do but based on the the

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people that I know and then the the

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talking in the inner circles and

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listening on different areas that we

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talked about and make sure it's nothing

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on the screen somewhere but as far as

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Isis being a component there's no

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indication at all I mean I totally agree

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with their sorry if I totally agree with

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that the main point I'm making though is

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that

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yeah what's important about you know

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yeah they claimed but it's the first

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time exactly a percent proven by the FBI

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that Isis made a false claim which you

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know people were speculating at the time

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that this indicates something

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significant about the degradation of

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Isis and where they are today that'd be

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very careful about many claims of

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responsibility and now they've gotten a

430
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lot looser as perhaps they're on the run

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and that's a that's a fair assessment

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and I would agree with that and the the

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ISIS organization is just I wouldn't say

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this disbanded but it's definitely

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disorganized and I don't think it's as

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organized as as when when she made her

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her assessment that this was Isis

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inspired or if Isis inspired or Isis

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carried this out that this would be the

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first time that they claimed something

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and it didn't come true or was it was it

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true and the way I look at it is this

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this is the largest mass shooting in US

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history the only thing that we can think

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of that probably impacted our country as

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much as this did in the past 20 years is

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obviously the 9/11 so if you draw the

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two conclusions back and forth and you

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want to say that they made the claim and

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that they have a hundred percent track

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record for being accurate I would say

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that this would make sense that it would

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be the one that they would mess up on

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because they would want to claim this

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this is this is the largest this is this

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is something that they would want to

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have under their belt so to speak

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another thing she said is that they

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would at least historically they would

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not make the claim unless they had some

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reason to believe that it was at least

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inspired so they may have been misled

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gotten some bad information because if

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you remember how quickly they claimed

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responsibility mmm if this was all just

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BS you know they didn't know that

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ultimately a suicide note wasn't gonna

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be found or that it turns out right

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you'd hope we didn't find any clear

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motive for panic on this you know it

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could have been found out very quickly

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exactly why he did it and it could have

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been their claim could have been

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disproven very quickly that's that's

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true and you know another way to look at

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it is from from the standpoint that they

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made that us they made that claim very

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quickly without having any foreknowledge

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or any dollars of anything but keep in

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mind that they had already claimed

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months before that Las Vegas was a

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target and it was Las Vegas was in one

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of the videos one of the propaganda

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videos that they put out they naturally

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showed different locations a guy driving

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around and aiming the camera at the

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window and seeing you know different

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different hotels and different

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different land landmark so we're all

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recognized so we knew that Las Vegas was

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a potential target and for it to have

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something happened of this nature

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who knows if someone jumped the gun and

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said this must be it or you know you

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have cells that operate that that you

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know sleeper cells that pop up and and

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they do what they do and whatever

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triggers them to start I mean it could

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be all over the map was this that I

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honestly don't think so again you know

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on our side

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you know as as far as what we what we

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have to look at is there's nothing that

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we've seen you know granted I'm not in

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in there pulling pieces of paper and

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doing the investigation from the inside

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if they're covering it up it'd be one of

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the worst things they could possibly do

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but if everything they're telling us is

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true there absolutely is no evidence to

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support any Isis connection at all which

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is also what I'm getting to when I talk

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to other people I know then this would

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be the first time that they're that

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they're wrong and I've said that since

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day one so all I'm saying is that we

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turn to the FBI that's who we trust

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shouldn't chase us down and determine

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was whether this was terror or not

520
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whether this was Isis or not so they

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concluded that it was not that's great

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but just give us a little bit of the

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basis for that conclusion because I'm

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sure that was kind of the primary reason

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the FBI was involved was to determine is

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this side neither their Isis attack

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radical Islamic terrorism on US soil is

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it or is it not and if they concluded

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that it's not give us some of the basis

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for it because you must have spent

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hundreds of thousands of hours looking

532
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into it

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yeah well I think I gave you the basis

534
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for it the basis for it is they didn't

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find anything

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and so there's trying to prove a

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non-event and it's not an any easy thing

538
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to do yeah well you could say you track

539
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down various leaves and you looked at

540
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this and you looked into that and and so

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forth I mean you know they didn't even

542
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have that that's that's the problem they

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didn't date but it didn't even

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really have those leads to go tracking

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down and and and that's the thing so if

546
00:24:41,010 --> 00:24:38,920
they don't even have an analysis of the

547
00:24:43,530 --> 00:24:41,020
ISIS claims of responsibility and

548
00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:43,540
explain you know the hey we looked into

549
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:44,560
the fact that they claimed

550
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,330
responsibility and yet always our

551
00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:48,580
conclusion that you know the claim

552
00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:50,920
emanated from such-and-such or this or

553
00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:53,080
that and you know this is our theory as

554
00:24:57,090 --> 00:24:54,790
to why they claimed responsibility when

555
00:24:59,910 --> 00:24:57,100
in fact it turned out not to be correct

556
00:25:01,920 --> 00:24:59,920
and yeah I mean they they did briefly

557
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:01,930
talk about the claim and and what have

558
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:05,860
you early on but they pretty much swept

559
00:25:08,790 --> 00:25:06,850
it under the rug because that's

560
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:08,800
something that's something that they're

561
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:11,320
told not to really discuss much I mean

562
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:13,660
if they if it has something to do with

563
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,090
it yeah we'll take measures in okay

564
00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:18,760
let's move on let's move on to the next

565
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:20,800
big conclusion that I have highlighted

566
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:24,310
which is again they attribute the panel

567
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,470
for this conclusion which i think is

568
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:28,140
inappropriate but they say the L V RP

569
00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:31,540
further assesses that padic conspired

570
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:34,360
with no one he acted alone

571
00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:38,650
now right for many people primarily

572
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,660
people who were actually at the events

573
00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:43,600
who were absolutely convinced that he

574
00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:44,740
did not act alone

575
00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:48,100
that he was not this whole shooter that

576
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:49,480
they heard shots coming from different

577
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:52,120
directions not to mention you've got the

578
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:53,710
reports of other shootings down the

579
00:25:58,170 --> 00:25:56,890
strip etc all kinds of reports but you

580
00:25:59,130 --> 00:25:58,180
know in my experience in talking to

581
00:26:01,170 --> 00:25:59,140
people that were there and you've

582
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:01,180
probably spoken to as many or more than

583
00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:04,270
than I have the majority of people that

584
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:07,030
were there are convinced that there was

585
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:09,370
more than one I'm not suggesting there

586
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:10,810
was more than one in fact I think it

587
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:12,250
appears to be there wasn't more than one

588
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,280
it was just panic but correct help those

589
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,200
people out give them some informations

590
00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:19,840
say that you investigated these claims

591
00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:22,150
of multiple shooters tell us a little

592
00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:25,390
bit give us a little meat on the bone of

593
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:28,600
this conclusion that paddock did this by

594
00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:32,110
himself well and and that's something

595
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:34,540
that they should have done and what is

596
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,820
odd is that because we received

597
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:38,740
virtually no information in the

598
00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:41,980
beginning we found ourselves doing our

599
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:43,780
own investigations

600
00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:46,960
you know myself included we go there we

601
00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:48,520
talked to people we look for evidence

602
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:52,750
and and we analyze what we can I have a

603
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:54,790
background where I can analyze evidence

604
00:26:59,610 --> 00:26:57,310
I may be an expert in one field not in

605
00:27:02,160 --> 00:26:59,620
another but I've learned enough to know

606
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,170
and I basically became one and in

607
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:04,740
several areas that I've never really

608
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:07,240
studied as much as I probably should

609
00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:09,400
have in fast now one of which would be

610
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:11,230
the ballistic analysis as far as the

611
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:14,250
acoustic analysis of any of the gunfire

612
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:17,950
as far as that is concerned and with all

613
00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:19,480
of the cameras and the footage that we

614
00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:22,840
have and also now we throw in several

615
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:27,180
hundred body-worn camera footage are

616
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:30,460
different different videos from

617
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:32,410
different officers and all around the

618
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:35,260
venue there's not any shots fired from

619
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:38,770
any other direction that that if a shot

620
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:41,380
was fired we would hear it and of course

621
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:42,370
someone else said well they had

622
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:44,740
silencers well okay if they had

623
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,180
silencers you can still hear it if

624
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,120
anyone saw one you'll and if it's a

625
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:52,480
subsonic with the silencer okay but as

626
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:55,480
far as I can tell from the hundreds of

627
00:28:01,410 --> 00:27:58,270
hours of video that I've looked at and

628
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:01,420
subsequently pulled the audio out there

629
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:04,270
was none there's no other shots from

630
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:05,800
fire familiar the direction the only

631
00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:07,990
shots were fired that night were fired

632
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:11,260
inside that room by two people and you

633
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:15,700
would assume that the FBI did similar

634
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:19,840
analysis to what you did yeah yeah I'm

635
00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:23,530
sure they did yeah and it's it's tedious

636
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,420
to do you're basically doing a lot of

637
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:27,490
math work and they may have access to

638
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:31,300
the the shot spotter that may or may not

639
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:32,680
be there depending on who you're talking

640
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:35,320
to at the moment but if they have that

641
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:37,090
then the math has already done for you

642
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:39,130
but basically it's it's a series of

643
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:42,400
calculations and you determine from that

644
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,500
those series of calculations where the

645
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:46,240
shots were fired from and you can do

646
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:48,340
that with cameras you know camera

647
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,650
footage from cell phone cameras or

648
00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:52,000
whatever as long as you know the the

649
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:53,620
model with the type of the camera and

650
00:28:57,659 --> 00:28:56,200
you take into some consideration the

651
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,669
variances between

652
00:29:01,739 --> 00:28:59,200
you can calculate it pretty accurately

653
00:29:05,219 --> 00:29:01,749
and we were able to do that another

654
00:29:07,709 --> 00:29:05,229
person who came on early on and who did

655
00:29:09,389 --> 00:29:07,719
some rather amazing animation work which

656
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:09,399
is actually on my page if you go to the

657
00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:14,369
5x5 news channel you'll see a some

658
00:29:19,699 --> 00:29:16,599
animation that was done by a person

659
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:19,709
using the channel named mr. visual

660
00:29:26,339 --> 00:29:22,570
absolutely excellent work I can hunt

661
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:26,349
Punk any of it it's very accurate and he

662
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:32,529
puts into a visual 3d animated depiction

663
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:33,820
on screen as far as the video is

664
00:29:39,509 --> 00:29:37,929
concerned of exactly how the the sounds

665
00:29:41,129 --> 00:29:39,519
that we hear and exactly where the

666
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:41,139
bullets went and how we can determine

667
00:29:44,969 --> 00:29:42,849
where they went and how all these

668
00:29:47,639 --> 00:29:44,979
different things he does a visually so

669
00:29:49,379 --> 00:29:47,649
it's very easy to to learn from that and

670
00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:49,389
I think that would be a good thing for

671
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:52,899
everybody to see so going back to Eric

672
00:29:57,979 --> 00:29:56,169
paddock who you brother of the shooter

673
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,989
who you spoke to extensively yesterday

674
00:30:04,889 --> 00:30:00,159
give me again a little bit about what

675
00:30:08,299 --> 00:30:04,899
his thoughts were and after bro oh yeah

676
00:30:12,239 --> 00:30:08,309
we went through and I'll I'll put that

677
00:30:14,369 --> 00:30:12,249
that interview out it's probably you

678
00:30:15,989 --> 00:30:14,379
know it's a - we spoke for two and a

679
00:30:17,219 --> 00:30:15,999
half hours so I'll probably chop it down

680
00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:17,229
to something a little bit more palatable

681
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,149
because we kind of bounced around and

682
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,279
just like two guys talking and so I kept

683
00:30:25,859 --> 00:30:23,919
it more casual rather than a stirring

684
00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:25,869
question answer period and that's kind

685
00:30:30,569 --> 00:30:28,899
of how I like to operate anyway but we

686
00:30:33,419 --> 00:30:30,579
went through the list I'm actually he

687
00:30:37,019 --> 00:30:33,429
started he went through the list and and

688
00:30:39,779 --> 00:30:37,029
before he started I basically wanted to

689
00:30:41,879 --> 00:30:39,789
ask him the question of out of the

690
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:41,889
number of people that may put this

691
00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:44,529
report together and and not wanted them

692
00:30:47,569 --> 00:30:46,389
I want to reiterate this this is a very

693
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:47,579
important point

694
00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:51,820
he was never contacted and of all the

695
00:30:57,149 --> 00:30:54,969
people that are out there that you would

696
00:30:58,829 --> 00:30:57,159
contact to find out at different parts

697
00:31:02,129 --> 00:30:58,839
information I would like to know the

698
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:02,139
reason why they didn't but again it's a

699
00:31:06,629 --> 00:31:04,570
research panel not an investigative

700
00:31:08,489 --> 00:31:06,639
panel so they were looking at things

701
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:08,499
that had already been acquired so that's

702
00:31:14,010 --> 00:31:11,350
my that's my assessment from

703
00:31:16,409 --> 00:31:14,020
what Eric told me and when he said that

704
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:16,419
it totally changed my way of thinking of

705
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:18,669
this report this report is a research

706
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:20,650
paper it's not a investigative paper

707
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:21,820
mm-hmm

708
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:24,130
did he seem to generally agree with the

709
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,929
findings when we get down to the

710
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:28,620
specifics of what they identified as

711
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Steven paddocks motive I would say for

712
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:35,890
the most part if you if you reduced it

713
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:39,250
to something fairly simple and use

714
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:40,990
Occam's razor what have you then yeah

715
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:44,470
we're pretty much an alignment there are

716
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,190
some variances that that when it gets

717
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,760
into certain specifics when they try to

718
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:53,919
mention specifics on here they as far as

719
00:31:58,110 --> 00:31:56,289
timeframe when did this start

720
00:32:00,360 --> 00:31:58,120
when did the thought process start what

721
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:00,370
was the catalyst that cause you know

722
00:32:07,169 --> 00:32:04,750
this to occur and the time frame is

723
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:07,179
something that Eric and I are working on

724
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:10,390
is to look for little clues that may pop

725
00:32:14,270 --> 00:32:11,380
up here and there because he has

726
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:14,280
obviously access to everything that

727
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:17,590
Steven had done you know dates of

728
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:19,780
purchases of the weapons and things of

729
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:21,070
this nature that have already been put

730
00:32:26,669 --> 00:32:24,030
out there but at the same time there's

731
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:26,679
different these changes in how people

732
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:29,140
operate you know one thing if someone

733
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:31,210
has a consistent calling record they

734
00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:32,919
call you once a month or they do this or

735
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:34,179
that and all of a sudden that changes

736
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:35,620
then that gives you an idea of something

737
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:37,030
might be going on so you call them and

738
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:38,830
see what's going on none of that really

739
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:40,450
happened because there wasn't that much

740
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:43,480
communication between pretty much any of

741
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:47,320
the family to some degree so that's not

742
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:48,730
something that we would normally go by

743
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:50,169
like you and I would probably say oh

744
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:51,490
yeah I called my mom you know once a

745
00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:52,990
week or once every three days or

746
00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:54,820
whatever and then three months goes by

747
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:55,960
and you don't call your mom your mom's

748
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:57,490
probably freaking out and calling you

749
00:33:03,090 --> 00:32:59,980
trying to find out what's going on that

750
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:03,100
wasn't the case here so it's a little

751
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:08,530
bit a little bit I mean it seems to me

752
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:11,080
that they're ascribing about a one-year

753
00:33:15,539 --> 00:33:14,289
period of planning because that you know

754
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:15,549
that's when he really started acquiring

755
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:18,580
all the weapons and they do refer to

756
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:22,590
they make this rather kind of eerie

757
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:24,850
conclusion or statements the

758
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,640
planning and preparation in of itself

759
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:30,640
was likely satisfying to paddock as it

760
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:32,350
provided a sense of direction and

761
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,350
control despite his mental in physical

762
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:38,220
decline mm-hmm

763
00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:41,650
so they're basically saying that you

764
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:42,940
know well it starts with them saying

765
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:44,410
that he had a decline in physical and

766
00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:46,120
mental health level functioning and

767
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:48,220
financial status over the last several

768
00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:51,070
years of his life in reaction to this

769
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:54,040
decline he concluded that he would seek

770
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:56,470
to control the ending of his life via a

771
00:34:01,770 --> 00:33:59,410
suicidal act so it seems to me they're

772
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:01,780
racing you know you have a narcissist

773
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:04,030
you have perhaps a psychopath certainly

774
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,140
runs in the family

775
00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:07,860
when you have declining wealth and

776
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:11,380
health with that I could see how that

777
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:14,020
would make sense that a narcissist would

778
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:16,810
not want need to live with declining

779
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:20,950
money and health and so we basically

780
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:23,050
starts thinking about suicide but

781
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:26,470
decides to also go out with one big

782
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:32,410
grand act this this massacre on any

783
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:35,230
level never seen before so he goes out

784
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:41,470
with infamy in that for a year yeah and

785
00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:43,810
whether now the question of whether or

786
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:46,300
not this is the answer I'm gonna give

787
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:49,840
you now is actually from Eric his

788
00:34:55,980 --> 00:34:52,660
statement essentially is this if Steve

789
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:55,990
wanted to be famous then Steve would

790
00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:58,330
have written a book or Steve would have

791
00:35:05,850 --> 00:34:59,980
written something or done something

792
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:05,860
other than this that after the fact it

793
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:07,660
would make him famous that people would

794
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:10,030
read forever like you know like the

795
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:12,010
manifesto that we have from Kaczynski or

796
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:16,210
something along those lines but he

797
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:18,760
didn't do that he wasn't it wasn't the

798
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:20,950
word for me and there was a couple other

799
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:22,210
words that were thrown around on a

800
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:24,910
couple of websites that were not from

801
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:25,960
the BAU report

802
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:31,000
well sorry infamy is in the report yeah

803
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:33,250
yeah infamy but there's so there's what

804
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:34,870
I'm saying there's a couple other words

805
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:37,800
that were used or not accurate

806
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,370
that he had some zeal for murder or

807
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:43,380
carnage I think that was ill for carnage

808
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,480
was was he used on one of the point of

809
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:48,030
the pages anyway that that's away from

810
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:52,470
that report but yes those were factors

811
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:55,110
that were in as far as I'm concerned it

812
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:56,790
seems like Erickson alignment I think

813
00:36:02,450 --> 00:35:59,700
Erica and I are almost straight down the

814
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:02,460
middle as far as what we believe amongst

815
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:05,790
each other but hold on a second wait

816
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:06,810
Erica

817
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:08,190
he doesn't think as the brother was

818
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,690
motivated by him for me because if he

819
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:11,990
was he would have written some manifesto

820
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,090
exactly it wasn't motivated by that but

821
00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:17,040
as far as the other things that occurred

822
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:19,350
far as the decline in physical health as

823
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:21,000
far as some of the other things and yeah

824
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:24,090
we're we're that makes sense it goes

825
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:25,820
into flight and here's the case in point

826
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,710
Steve loved the fly and when he sold his

827
00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:30,960
airplane he sold his airplane for one

828
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:33,360
reason because he could not pass the

829
00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:34,740
flight physical because he could not

830
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:37,230
take the heart heart the blood pressure

831
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:39,150
medication because it affected him he

832
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:43,310
just reacted to it so that was a problem

833
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:46,350
and whenever you take away someone's

834
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:50,520
passion or someone's whatever they have

835
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:55,710
to escape you know then then they start

836
00:37:02,330 --> 00:36:59,400
losing reasons to live he started to

837
00:37:03,860 --> 00:37:02,340
become socially he was pulling back he's

838
00:37:05,930 --> 00:37:03,870
pulling back away from Mary Lou Danny I

839
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:05,940
mean you see she made mention that over

840
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:07,890
the last year so so that was a

841
00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:09,930
contributing factor did he pull back

842
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:14,100
from Eric by the way well the thing with

843
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:17,430
Eric is that their relationship was you

844
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:20,490
know not that brotherly love hey buddy

845
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,930
what's she doing bubble that kind of

846
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,060
thing it was more of a if there was a

847
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:26,400
reason to call and this is essentially

848
00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:29,880
what Eric says you'll hear but it but

849
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,620
his his deal is is that there was a

850
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:35,040
reason to call they would call and a lot

851
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,810
of times it was more business transitive

852
00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:38,820
transactional related things it wasn't

853
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:41,340
you know hey hey how you doing I was

854
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:43,260
just thinking about you you know I could

855
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:45,030
look tomorrow and whatever you're doing

856
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,590
that kind of thing but it's really has

857
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:48,660
the frequency of that type of

858
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:50,670
interaction though

859
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:52,140
essentially remain constant from Eric's

860
00:37:59,330 --> 00:37:54,410
recollection over the past couple years

861
00:38:02,180 --> 00:37:59,340
yeah from that standpoint he there was

862
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,190
there was no sign that that Eric

863
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,280
received from Steve that this was

864
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:07,500
inevitable or something was going on or

865
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:08,820
something was different something was

866
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:10,980
amiss and I think part of that may have

867
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:12,510
to do with the fact that they didn't

868
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:15,570
communicate as often as say some of

869
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,140
those families would but that's so a

870
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,500
component of this so he's agreeing with

871
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:24,660
the health thing the suicide part at

872
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:26,580
cetera he's not agreeing with the infamy

873
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:30,780
so what is his theory been as to why his

874
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:34,020
brother chose to take out 5858 people

875
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:38,280
with himself he wanted to get back at

876
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:42,090
the casinos I think that the predominate

877
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:43,890
factor that weighed in his mind was that

878
00:38:48,590 --> 00:38:46,770
Steve was losing his lifestyle he

879
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:48,600
whether it was from a health-related

880
00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:50,310
issue or whether it's from money and

881
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:53,100
whether from the casinos well you

882
00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:55,890
combine all that together then

883
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,470
essentially his entire lifestyle was was

884
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,300
being pulled away the casinos were

885
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,520
screwing him as the way he felt about it

886
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:05,760
because I'm changing how yeah exactly so

887
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:07,350
I can interrupt there because I saw that

888
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,570
and people should go check out your 5x5

889
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:12,480
news on YouTube because you have a clip

890
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:15,840
of an Eric Patek interview where he

891
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,460
talks the Louds pattex gambling style

892
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:22,440
the types of machines he played how he

893
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:25,290
would effectively to some extent beat

894
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,420
the house by playing at max odds and

895
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,760
getting max points and and and the

896
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:31,500
casinos kind of started changing that on

897
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,310
him and sure enough he did start losing

898
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:37,140
and so that was the reason I asked that

899
00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:41,370
so it's Eric's theory that he was really

900
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,620
pissed off at the casinos for the way

901
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:46,140
they started treating him and he was

902
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:50,280
getting back at them yes that's that's

903
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:52,290
the thing he it wasn't any specific

904
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:55,800
casino that that was in the mix and in

905
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:57,180
all of these you know there's a lot of

906
00:40:01,820 --> 00:39:58,890
different theories out there as to him

907
00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:01,830
why did he go to this other location to

908
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:04,470
check it out or all these different

909
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:05,490
things

910
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:10,950
but as far as him getting back at the

911
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:13,170
gambling industry as a whole not

912
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:14,940
necessarily MGM but just the gambling

913
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:18,990
industry and this is Eric's words as

914
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:20,190
well you know but basically he

915
00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:21,870
accomplished that that would that was

916
00:40:27,350 --> 00:40:24,600
that was probably a thought in his Maia

917
00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:27,360
and it would make sense based on Eric

918
00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:32,420
knowing obviously Steve is alive that

919
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:35,340
yeah that's the way of doing a way of

920
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:39,750
doing it but as as as messed up as that

921
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:42,540
sound so we don't think the way Steve

922
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:46,920
was thinking you know it's probably a

923
00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:49,170
good thing but since we don't think that

924
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:51,840
way it's hard for us to to put this

925
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,510
together it's hard for us to accept it

926
00:40:59,020 --> 00:40:56,460
it was definitely hard for us to accept

927
00:41:02,690 --> 00:40:59,030
no motive because there's no specific

928
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:02,700
one thing to point to it's a you know I

929
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:04,410
want to use the word anti-climatic but

930
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,820
when you're looking for something and

931
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,980
you find it you had that Eureka moment

932
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:10,800
that haha yeah we're not gonna get that

933
00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:15,210
here so in an area you know basically

934
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:17,340
goes into this area as well with the

935
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:26,780
you know Steve's unique this report

936
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:28,770
tried to put Steve into a category of

937
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:32,760
being just like the others I don't think

938
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:34,770
anyone watching this right now is going

939
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:37,860
to say that this event was anything like

940
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:41,100
any other mass shooting event that we

941
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:43,800
have ever witnessed and that would mean

942
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:45,510
that the individual pulling it off is

943
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,260
also in a in an area that kind of and

944
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:50,640
I'm not putting him on the grandstand

945
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:53,880
I'm not making this a worship kind of

946
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:55,710
thing or anything like that it's just

947
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:57,690
that we have to we have to put him into

948
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,940
a different category because this seems

949
00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:02,220
to be or possibly could be a new trend

950
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,350
there was just shooting the other day no

951
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:07,680
motive found and you know who knows what

952
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:12,300
sets people off internally and when they

953
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,910
exercise that feeling of

954
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,680
doing what it is that's going on through

955
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,119
their mind we don't know if that thought

956
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,730
processes maybe some wonderful

957
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:25,200
psychiatrists and psychologists

958
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:26,910
somewhere can get together and say okay

959
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,710
here's the signs that we're gonna find

960
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:30,780
and if you look at the report here says

961
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:33,630
the average an average of three point

962
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:36,770
six stressors prior to the attack I

963
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,500
don't I don't remember having any number

964
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:42,000
of stressors but three point six

965
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:45,660
stressors prior to an attack display an

966
00:42:50,049 --> 00:42:48,030
average of four point seven concerning

967
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:50,059
behaviors just I mean this is

968
00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:55,079
yeah there's yeah yeah the report cites

969
00:43:00,529 --> 00:42:58,230
a study from a few years ago where it

970
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:00,539
says that a study of the pre attack

971
00:43:06,859 --> 00:43:02,819
behaviors of active shooters in the

972
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:06,869
United States between 2000 and 2013 it

973
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:09,990
was an FBI report and overall the point

974
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:12,900
being that typically shooters aren't

975
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:15,930
responding to one thing that there are

976
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:18,329
multiple things and I think that's seem

977
00:43:20,779 --> 00:43:19,380
to be the point that they were making

978
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:20,789
that hey guys just because we haven't

979
00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:23,160
identified a specific reason here's the

980
00:43:28,339 --> 00:43:26,670
reason why Stephen Patek did it isn't

981
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:28,349
because well that's actually more common

982
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,359
than people think that actually usually

983
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,940
it isn't just thing that most motivates

984
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:35,760
the shooter and I absolutely agree with

985
00:43:41,779 --> 00:43:38,010
that I mean there's normally some sort

986
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:41,789
of event that happens that causes them

987
00:43:46,549 --> 00:43:44,819
to go that direction but then the rest

988
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:46,559
of the things that come in become all

989
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,770
convoluted in and and mixed together so

990
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,599
at the end you know unless they've even

991
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:53,760
no telling us exactly what happened and

992
00:43:58,099 --> 00:43:55,470
why and and all these different things

993
00:44:01,819 --> 00:43:58,109
we don't know yeah I'm not giving that

994
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:01,829
that was support Eric's theory about

995
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,200
getting back at Vegas for a couple of

996
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:07,200
reasons one being that we know that he

997
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:11,369
scoped out Lollapalooza in Chicago he

998
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:13,950
stormed out Fenway Park in Boston he

999
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,400
scoped out Santa Monica Pier and his

1000
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:20,400
Google searches demonstrated that he was

1001
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:22,890
looking for large crowds and they didn't

1002
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:25,230
have to be in Las Vegas doesn't that in

1003
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:26,700
and of itself kind of shoot down Eric's

1004
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:29,730
theory no and the reason why it doesn't

1005
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:31,770
is because early on before I even

1006
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:33,630
talk to Eric one of the things that I

1007
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:35,670
was trying to come up with is a reason

1008
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:37,530
why he would go to those other venues

1009
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:40,410
and part of that would be to study the

1010
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,570
security or how people react to things

1011
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:44,940
and and various things like that was he

1012
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:47,160
actually looking for a perch to to get

1013
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:50,550
up into to fire down on a crowd yeah we

1014
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:53,240
don't really know that was he there

1015
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:56,430
testing how people respond to him

1016
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:58,380
carrying massive amounts of bags up into

1017
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,800
a room I mean that's the possibility you

1018
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,690
know you want to test hotel security you

1019
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:05,160
want to test outdoor secured you want to

1020
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,420
see how the valet you know but you had

1021
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:07,920
tested at the place that you're gonna do

1022
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:09,570
it you're not gonna test it at Fenway

1023
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:12,090
Park or at the Santa Monica Pier to see

1024
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,040
how Man right hey in Vegas is gonna

1025
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:16,560
respond and who's to say that he didn't

1026
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:19,530
we don't know we don't know evolved its

1027
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:21,360
previous times that he visited Mandalay

1028
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:23,430
Bay how many bags did he bring there we

1029
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:24,660
know he brought a lot of bags to the

1030
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:27,390
Ogden but we don't know if he did that

1031
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:29,490
at Mandalay Bay and keep in mind he was

1032
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:31,410
within driving distance of Mandalay Bay

1033
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,590
and the Ogden and any other place that

1034
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:36,900
he went to in Vegas so at some point in

1035
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:38,370
time in the past as he could have

1036
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:41,060
brought several large bags with him and

1037
00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:43,800
tested it there to some degree but that

1038
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,820
these are questions that that we'll

1039
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:49,680
never know but my read is that he was

1040
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:51,630
looking for mass carnage so he was

1041
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,370
looking at spots where he's going to do

1042
00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:55,500
massive carnage if it was about taking

1043
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:57,150
out in Vegas I would almost argue the

1044
00:46:02,240 --> 00:45:58,770
opposite of Eric that he'd be more

1045
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,250
inclined to have left a note if it was

1046
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,560
about taking it out on Vegas as opposed

1047
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,140
to infamy you don't need to write a note

1048
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:10,560
for infamy you got the infamy you know

1049
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:16,500
he did hear enough he he knew if he took

1050
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:19,050
out X number of people he would be the

1051
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:22,050
largest mass shooter in American history

1052
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:24,330
and that is the infamy what note you

1053
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:28,920
need to write about that well to use the

1054
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:32,820
vernacular of of Eric Steve love [\h__\h]

1055
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:36,720
with people and that was the thing that

1056
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:38,730
stuck in my mind when Eric was talking

1057
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:42,230
to me is that what better way to do that

1058
00:46:45,350 --> 00:46:44,970
than to not leave a note to not do the

1059
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:45,360
things

1060
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:47,970
somewhat expected and that's apparently

1061
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:50,070
what he did and more and more infamy

1062
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,390
comes with that absolutely yeah and is

1063
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:56,880
the infamy a byproduct of what he did or

1064
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,290
is infamy the product of what he was

1065
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:01,200
trying to achieve we that's another

1066
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,910
question we don't really know was he

1067
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:04,140
trying to achieve infamy

1068
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:07,740
Eric seems to say no we don't know

1069
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:09,270
there's nothing that tells us either

1070
00:47:12,610 --> 00:47:11,220
laughs yeah you've got this anecdotal

1071
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,620
stuff that I've read some of these

1072
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:14,700
prostitutes that were interviewed so you

1073
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,410
got to take it with a grain of salt but

1074
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:18,240
where you know he would like to talk

1075
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:22,380
about how I'm a bad man would kind of

1076
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:25,080
almost brag about the fact that his

1077
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:27,380
father was on the FBI's most wanted list

1078
00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:31,530
right right you know and who and with

1079
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,120
that you know I I have to go and look at

1080
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,280
that evidence separately to see if if

1081
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,500
those were things that were in fact said

1082
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:42,420
and those are things that are infected

1083
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:43,950
and I don't have a real reason to doubt

1084
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:46,410
it like that I think the one prostitutes

1085
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:48,570
name is Michaela or something like that

1086
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:51,690
her story seems to be fairly accurate

1087
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,970
but I haven't been able to go to say

1088
00:48:01,220 --> 00:47:56,640
Mary Lou Dan Lee and say hey did this

1089
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:01,230
Steve like rough you know good Steve was

1090
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:03,990
he this way you know and I didn't have

1091
00:48:09,860 --> 00:48:08,790
that and so since since we don't know

1092
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,870
there's a lot of things we don't know

1093
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,640
and a lot of things were people you know

1094
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,980
in the situation's they get involved

1095
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:16,800
into the into an investigation of this

1096
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,870
nature and for whatever reason whatever

1097
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:20,400
the motivation is because there's a lot

1098
00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:21,360
of things that were said that just

1099
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:23,340
absolutely were not Steve one guy called

1100
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:25,770
into a radio station basically saying

1101
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,310
that he remembers going he lived next

1102
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:31,680
door but he had moved I think nine

1103
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,470
months previous and he would come home

1104
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:36,000
and Steve would be sitting on a lawn

1105
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:38,090
chair out in the front of his garage

1106
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:40,590
waving hi to the neighbors as they came

1107
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:42,740
by at home drinking a beer

1108
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:47,400
that's not Steve so but you know so you

1109
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:48,900
have to take some of these things with a

1110
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:51,360
grain of salt and that's why I went went

1111
00:48:56,180 --> 00:48:53,190
when I talked to Eric I kind of get an

1112
00:48:59,170 --> 00:48:56,190
idea of who Steve is it helps me it

1113
00:49:02,980 --> 00:48:59,180
helped me get into the mindset of

1114
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:02,990
possibly he was doing that last few

1115
00:49:08,770 --> 00:49:05,720
minutes on earth Lee was here and and it

1116
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:08,780
kind of helped me walk through the last

1117
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:13,940
minute of what I felt like he did as far

1118
00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:15,380
as going into the room pulling the

1119
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:17,540
weapons and stuff but that's another

1120
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:24,290
subject but um yeah the I think between

1121
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:26,810
Eric's assessment and between the

1122
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:29,150
assessment that we have here a lot of

1123
00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:31,580
people can probably draw a conclusion of

1124
00:49:37,690 --> 00:49:34,580
what's actually very a more accurate

1125
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:37,700
picture so I think combine this with

1126
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,450
this show with the the interview that we

1127
00:49:46,030 --> 00:49:44,480
have with Eric and also the documentary

1128
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:46,040
that we're coming out with which is

1129
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:49,010
Vegas wrong that documentary should be

1130
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:51,080
out there hopefully within a couple

1131
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:54,770
months finalizing some of the edits and

1132
00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:56,810
when that comes out you'll get a better

1133
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:00,710
indication of of maybe who who he was

1134
00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:04,670
and and the documentary is not about not

1135
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:07,700
about him it's about the whole event but

1136
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:09,620
you'll hear from Eric you'll hear from

1137
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:11,930
Eric probably tomorrow when I I

1138
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:16,540
finalized the audio from yesterday and

1139
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:18,560
it's starting it's starting it's

1140
00:50:21,790 --> 00:50:20,450
starting to come together that picture

1141
00:50:22,810 --> 00:50:21,800
that you're always trying to paint

1142
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:22,820
whenever you're whenever you're doing

1143
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:24,380
one of these things you're trying to put

1144
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,730
the pieces of the puzzle together or

1145
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:27,440
paint the picture whatever you know

1146
00:50:33,850 --> 00:50:30,680
whatever cliche you want to use but it

1147
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:33,860
is is it's starting to make sense not

1148
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:36,110
make sense and it it makes sense why he

1149
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:37,790
did things but it starts to make sense

1150
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:40,850
that it didn't make sense if that makes

1151
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:42,890
sense yeah well let's just touch on a

1152
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:44,180
couple quick things and then yeah

1153
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:45,290
everybody should check out your

1154
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:46,850
interview with Eric I can't wait to

1155
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:49,610
watch it and looking forward to seeing

1156
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:53,020
that documentary when it comes out any

1157
00:51:01,630 --> 00:50:56,330
lingering thoughts about MGM's security

1158
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:01,640
or lack thereof to stop this yeah that's

1159
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:06,440
one area that I pretty much that was my

1160
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:10,820
thing was testing their security and the

1161
00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:12,230
problem I have with

1162
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:16,060
is is this the entire city has an issue

1163
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:21,079
the most prolific hotel in the city as

1164
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:24,940
far as security of concern was the Wynn

1165
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:29,180
and Mandalay Bay filled any of the

1166
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:31,190
penetration testing that I did I got to

1167
00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:32,750
go up the service elevators at will not

1168
00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:36,940
one person not one security person ever

1169
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:41,240
confronted me at Mandalay Bay period

1170
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:43,010
until that night at the foundation room

1171
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:45,650
but that was a different thing but and I

1172
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,510
was all over the place I've gone down in

1173
00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:49,760
to where their offices are I've gone

1174
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:51,380
through their employee entrance I've

1175
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,570
gone up to service elevators I've gone

1176
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:55,760
there with key without keys I had made

1177
00:52:03,760 --> 00:51:59,900
keys on my computer here and went up

1178
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:03,770
with those I ran out of things to do so

1179
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:05,480
I started taking other people because I

1180
00:52:09,849 --> 00:52:07,400
was like okay you're not gonna believe

1181
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:09,859
this so I contact Laura Loomer Laura

1182
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:12,589
won't you come with me let's let's go up

1183
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:14,180
the elevator well let's let's never

1184
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:17,089
compete should there should they have

1185
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:20,180
prevented this from happening I don't

1186
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:21,530
know if they could prevent it from

1187
00:52:27,069 --> 00:52:24,650
happening I think that there are some

1188
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:27,079
some systems and some some things that

1189
00:52:30,609 --> 00:52:28,460
could be put into place that would work

1190
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,619
a whole lot better and I don't mean a

1191
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:32,960
tangible physical product every time

1192
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:37,700
I've I did any of the security testing

1193
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:39,530
that I did it at the win or Mandalay Bay

1194
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:41,180
and I'm banned from what the way in by

1195
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,440
the way is that what I found was it's

1196
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,319
always the people the people are not

1197
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,480
properly changed they they've got all of

1198
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:51,920
this equipment they've got all these

1199
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:53,810
different things to check people they've

1200
00:52:58,660 --> 00:52:56,810
got 3,300 cameras at Mandalay Bay

1201
00:53:00,160 --> 00:52:58,670
they've got P team of people they're

1202
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:00,170
watching your every move

1203
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:02,210
and so forth but they're not watching

1204
00:53:06,370 --> 00:53:03,770
you in the hallways as you go back and

1205
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:06,380
forth to your room you watching that and

1206
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:08,770
the elevator going up that's it

1207
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:11,930
but is there something that they could

1208
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:15,770
have done to prevent this I don't think

1209
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:16,230
there's

1210
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:19,170
anything that anyone could do to prevent

1211
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:21,900
virtually anything if that person is

1212
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,450
bound and determined to do it they'll

1213
00:53:29,090 --> 00:53:26,760
find a way to get it done so Brian Brian

1214
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:29,100
Claypool made a point on on Laura

1215
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:31,950
Ingraham show that I think he thinks

1216
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:33,930
this is a conclusion he draws from the

1217
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:35,220
FBI report that he thinks gonna be

1218
00:53:41,330 --> 00:53:38,700
helpful for him for his case is when

1219
00:53:44,570 --> 00:53:41,340
they talked about why did Patek choose

1220
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:44,580
what he chose as far as a location it's

1221
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,500
they say that suggests that his final

1222
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,480
selection was based on the

1223
00:53:52,820 --> 00:53:50,220
identification of a tactically

1224
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:52,830
advantageous location from which to

1225
00:54:05,060 --> 00:53:57,240
attack so yeah so point being that you

1226
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,070
know this should have been something

1227
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,280
that MGM gave more thought to if this

1228
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,880
was such a perfect place for an attack

1229
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,140
then someone should have been thinking

1230
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:15,480
hey we but we better be watching out for

1231
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,980
this type of thing and I've made this

1232
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:19,140
point many times when you've got 20,000

1233
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:21,330
people had an event across the street

1234
00:54:26,570 --> 00:54:24,690
from your 40 some-odd story building or

1235
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:26,580
60 stories whatever it is and you're

1236
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:28,580
actually the one promoting the events

1237
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:31,170
put some additional security in place at

1238
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,859
the hotel

1239
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,480
I've never heard the answer to this but

1240
00:54:40,550 --> 00:54:36,480
I do not believe any additional security

1241
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:40,560
was in place I am in agreement with that

1242
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:42,630
I don't think at the actual hotel there

1243
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:44,520
was any additional security in place I

1244
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:47,609
mean they may say that there was and it

1245
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:49,590
at different times of the day security

1246
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:51,180
goes on and off and what happy because

1247
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:53,220
they know the times of heavy traffic and

1248
00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:55,980
when you know the normal time is going

1249
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,390
to be for someone to rob place or what

1250
00:55:02,770 --> 00:54:59,460
have you so they've calculated all of

1251
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:02,780
those things but as far as anything else

1252
00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:04,950
is there something that could have done

1253
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:07,470
could you know this as far as the

1254
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:10,619
location as far as him picking where he

1255
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:15,210
was going to do this act from the same

1256
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,740
place that someone's going to pick that

1257
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:18,000
is the same place that someone's gonna

1258
00:55:21,859 --> 00:55:20,190
say there's such a beautiful view you

1259
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:21,869
know what are you gonna do are you going

1260
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:25,530
to remove the view are you gonna make it

1261
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:28,250
where you know they had these huge glass

1262
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:30,210
bulletproof glass things

1263
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,650
are you gonna make the glass itself

1264
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:32,880
bullet but if you can't do that because

1265
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,380
people can't get out because of a fire

1266
00:55:37,579 --> 00:55:35,940
and there's a fire code that stipulates

1267
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,589
that that's why I'm you know that's the

1268
00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:39,359
first thing I tested you know checked on

1269
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:41,549
was it last well but you can choose not

1270
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:44,700
to have concerts directly below those

1271
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:47,220
type of buildings yeah open-air venues

1272
00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:48,660
that that's a problem if you have a

1273
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,099
perch position a high altitude or a

1274
00:55:57,140 --> 00:55:54,599
person that is shooting or an active

1275
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,150
shooter from an elevated position then

1276
00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,760
that person can do a lot of things and

1277
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:01,470
keep in mind too a lot of people they

1278
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:03,930
they think that the you know a great

1279
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,730
place to be is on top of a building or a

1280
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:07,319
tower or something like that actually

1281
00:56:12,019 --> 00:56:09,000
the best place to be is actually where

1282
00:56:14,299 --> 00:56:12,029
he was which is somewhat inside the mix

1283
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:14,309
of that of that tower because you

1284
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:15,750
couldn't pick him out no it's my

1285
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:18,599
understanding that Las Vegas police in

1286
00:56:22,849 --> 00:56:21,180
the past for New Year's Eve it's

1287
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:22,859
considered that when the crowds are all

1288
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:25,410
loud on the strip they do put summers up

1289
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:28,410
for the risk and I understand at a Times

1290
00:56:33,319 --> 00:56:30,630
Square New Year's Eve same thing they

1291
00:56:34,779 --> 00:56:33,329
put snipers up and there was no snipers

1292
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:34,789
up for this one

1293
00:56:39,529 --> 00:56:37,079
no there were there weren't and and

1294
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:39,539
that's you have to look at a tube I mean

1295
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:42,210
if you compare say the route 91 concert

1296
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:44,369
to say the EDC which is the Electric

1297
00:56:51,529 --> 00:56:47,460
Daisy Carnival one has 22,000 the other

1298
00:56:52,819 --> 00:56:51,539
one has 200,000 you know you have to you

1299
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:52,829
have to measure these different events

1300
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,410
and then determine exactly what is

1301
00:57:00,500 --> 00:56:58,799
appropriate of course you know if we if

1302
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:00,510
we could put in all the systems in place

1303
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,390
that would probably prevent these events

1304
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:04,859
from happening people wouldn't want to

1305
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:07,250
go to the events due to the amount of

1306
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:09,210
you know things they have to go through

1307
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,180
just to get in the door and and that and

1308
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:14,640
that's a very true true statement I feel

1309
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,020
there's a lot of people they see

1310
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:19,200
security one way or another one you know

1311
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:20,490
you and I would probably look angle

1312
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:21,750
that's that's good that they're doing

1313
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:25,140
that I feel safer okay last thing give

1314
00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:26,010
me your give me your thoughts if you

1315
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:28,460
Kumud a las vegas police response

1316
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:31,079
perhaps primarily the fact that we had

1317
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,710
these two officers that were there but

1318
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:36,480
about five you know five minutes into

1319
00:57:40,279 --> 00:57:38,609
the shooting arguably could have stopped

1320
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:40,289
the shooting about halfway through and

1321
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:42,569
and seem to have frozen on the 31st

1322
00:57:46,459 --> 00:57:43,650
floor

1323
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,469
I have a huge problem with that and plus

1324
00:57:50,529 --> 00:57:48,900
keep in mind that the specific officer

1325
00:57:53,299 --> 00:57:50,539
that we're referring to that froze

1326
00:57:55,789 --> 00:57:53,309
caused everyone else to freeze because

1327
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,799
he's obviously a senior officer he's a

1328
00:57:59,660 --> 00:57:57,119
training officer

1329
00:58:03,249 --> 00:57:59,670
so this officer that froze is the

1330
00:58:07,009 --> 00:58:03,259
officer that trains you on what to do

1331
00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:07,019
that's a problem yeah you make a good

1332
00:58:11,449 --> 00:58:08,849
point seconds leave because when you

1333
00:58:14,929 --> 00:58:11,459
watch the video it was him it was a

1334
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,939
trainee Las Vegas news officer and then

1335
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:16,650
it was three or four Mandalay Bay

1336
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:21,119
security guards I believe armed and you

1337
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:22,859
could tell those guys were like chops

1338
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:25,410
hit bit to go and he's holding them back

1339
00:58:30,499 --> 00:58:28,650
yeah you saw the one the one in Manila

1340
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,509
Bay off sir with the blood the bikes the

1341
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:32,640
black-suited on tall guy standing there

1342
00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:34,650
against that door and he's he has his

1343
00:58:37,819 --> 00:58:36,479
weapon at the ready and he's just kind

1344
00:58:40,339 --> 00:58:37,829
of like looking around like what are we

1345
00:58:42,499 --> 00:58:40,349
doing what are we stopping for you can

1346
00:58:43,819 --> 00:58:42,509
literally see him and you know what he's

1347
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:43,829
thinking he's wondering why are we

1348
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:44,249
stopped

1349
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:48,809
yeah the chief gives the guy in

1350
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:52,650
Hendricks a pass 100% pass it's a but by

1351
00:58:55,269 --> 00:58:54,150
saying that you don't bring a knife to a

1352
00:59:00,199 --> 00:58:55,279
gunfight

1353
00:59:02,299 --> 00:59:00,209
ya know you know so Lombardo would have

1354
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:02,309
done the same thing apparently when

1355
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:03,390
you're looking at that video and you're

1356
00:59:08,449 --> 00:59:05,160
seeing Hendrix just picture Lombardo

1357
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:08,459
there that's who it is the problem is is

1358
00:59:12,019 --> 00:59:10,170
that there's no one in their right mind

1359
00:59:14,539 --> 00:59:12,029
that would look at that and say that

1360
00:59:17,419 --> 00:59:14,549
that was okay other than sheriff

1361
00:59:19,729 --> 00:59:17,429
Lombardo so sheriff Lombardo if you ever

1362
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,739
watch this one thing you lied to me

1363
00:59:25,729 --> 00:59:22,140
directly verbally to me I don't

1364
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,739
appreciate that and to if you would have

1365
00:59:31,009 --> 00:59:28,859
been there and you would have frozen no

1366
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,019
that's not acceptable it's not it's not

1367
00:59:35,269 --> 00:59:32,880
a situation like that it doesn't happen

1368
00:59:37,279 --> 00:59:35,279
of course it does but it shouldn't

1369
00:59:39,019 --> 00:59:37,289
happen that's the problem and when it

1370
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:39,029
does happen you don't give someone a

1371
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,390
pass you basically show the others that

1372
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,400
hey the training needs to be hard or

1373
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:46,079
whatever needs to be done to make

1374
00:59:48,859 --> 00:59:47,729
certain that this doesn't happen again

1375
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:48,869
did he do that

1376
00:59:52,969 --> 00:59:50,579
no he gave this gives a guy a pass come

1377
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:52,979
on wake up Las Vegas you guys really to